realroyceWith all due respect, our nephew's curriculums and online programs are not a true representation of the teaching method, belt grading, and philosophy that we learned from our father, Grandmaster Helio Gracie.
They have the right to modify our battle-tested jiu-jitsu system as they see fit, but we feel that it is our duty to ensure that our father's name is not misrepresented.
While videos, books and online resources may serve as supplements to jiu-jitsu practitioners, provenly, they can never, by any means, substitute live lessons in a qualified academy.
- all_else_failed@prophessor_x why can't you get it on your own? Someone had to be the first to figure it out, otherwise we wouldn't have it at all. If one person can figure it out then other people can too. My friend and I train together using GU, and we provide feedback to each other when a move does or does not feel right.
- prophessor_x@all_else_failed even Hélio had an instructor. He adapted the art that we know it now to what he gained from his instructor. Jiu Jitsu is not one of those things that you can eyeball or feel test without first having an understanding that is taught through application. I can tell you all day how to apply a triangle... But until you understand the nuances of it through actually doing it, you will always be mediocre.
- alexanderhagman@prophessor_x One of my young students (gjj white belt) recently placed nr 1 in a serious grappling tournament, also did very well in his very first fight using what he gathered from GU. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXIF0E3gf7Q
- alexanderhagman@prophessor_x in black shorts.
- prophessor_x@alexanderhagman again, I'm not saying that you can't learn something from videos. What I'm saying is that you can't substitute video for live training. Which is the point of what @realroyce was saying. Most of the cases are your at home guys who DONT have training partners. Even one is not enough. Another thing that an academy ensures is that you are getting supervised reps on techniques that you can't get from video training. Again, videos are supposed to supplement, not substitute.
- alexanderhagman@prophessor_x That is the thing. Who said training with the help of GU would not include live training? We dont have a bjj academy around here, still we train hard, and also do very good in tournaments all around. In our case, its not an supplement, but an actual substitute.
- prophessor_xI'm not trying to change your mind on it. But ask yourself, do you think that your training would benefit from an in house black belt running your training? Or do you think you're getting the FULL Bjj experience from online training? There's a lot of people out there that train hard and WRONG (not saying that you or your training partners are among them) but the reason they do that is because they have no oversight.
- prophessor_x@alexanderhagman in addition... If you are saying you compete with the GU training, they even tell you that the GU training is NOT ment for sports Jiu Jitsu. So in principle alone, you are shorting yourself if competition is your objective.
- alexanderhagman@prophessor_x Yes, they say its not for competing, but we find it really good for mma. Sport bjj is not our objective. An in house black belt would mean everything. We dont have that luxury so we go with Gracie Academys black belts (GU) watch their videos, ask them questions. Then we discuss and train hard together. This has prooven beeing enough to stand against high-level fighters from schools with black belt instructors present. Of course i understand that our dedication might be higher then average. But people cut down on this so fast without understanding what it is really about. We love to train and we do it hard, just like all of you. We just take a different route.
- all_else_failed@prophessor_x My point still stands. Who taught Helio's instructor? And who taught his instructor's instructor? And so on and so on. It's not impossible to figure these things out (although I'm not saying that everyone can do it.) And I happen to have two amazing instructors in @renergracie and @ryrongracie and I don't just sit and watch videos, I spend time on the mat.
- dmc45@realroyce Excellent point. Nothing can ever replace good old fashioned, practical learning and hard work. Jiu Jitsu is something that I would have loved to have taken up at an earlier age, when I had more time to do the things I love. The modern world dictates otherwise, so I can see the value in having online lessons. But there is no substitute for real world experience. @realroyce you are an inspiration.
- soopafly718I wonder if Rorion is going to change Royce's mind, or is Royce going to not care and stick to everything Helio stood for
- efficiencybound1@realroyce 1st and foremost I respect you and your family as you were a big reason for my involvement in starting jiu-jitsu to begin with. It is disheartening to hear of your displeasure with Gracie University and your nephews genuine attempt to spread the art, as they were the medium for my 1st seminar with you. I'm not sure as to the depth of conversation you have had with them, but from my understanding they encourage training at a school over online if possible and it is the reason why i train at your affiliate when possible but if you are unable to attend a school they are simply trying to shed light on some possible positives. It is my sincere hope that in the near future the family can be United once again for the whole of jiu-jitsu and for the the family in general.
- efficiencybound1Btw @realroyce I drive three hours to attend your seminars
- soopafly718@renergracie @ryrongracie
- rodolfo16rmrnzIts funny to think that just because there's a Video of GM Helio (at an advanced age) saying its ok, it is simply ok to give out belts by someone doing techniques in a screen. No one owns the art and you make of it what you want @ryrongracie @daveyboy714 but breaking the physical, mental and spiritual bond just for money will not end well, its just simple greed, if you wanna spread it, them travel to rank people, truly donate yourself, if you cant, well, ranking like that is just a disservice to all the bjj family
- rodolfo16rmrnzJust a really small % of online students will get it, the ones that would excel at the art, regardless of curriculum; not more than 3% and the ones that are not blind and high because of the kool-aid know this @ryrongracie @daveyboy714
- rodolfo16rmrnzThats my $0.02
- rodolfo16rmrnzAnd im just a whitebelt that would settle for an online blue belt @ryrongracie @daveyboy714 i love to train and push myself, study and better myself in my mind, body and most importantly my spirit
- rodolfo16rmrnzWould not*
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